WHITE HOUSE TRANSCRIPT: UKRAINE TO VP JOE, “WE’RE DYING HERE” … FROM EIGHT YEARS AGO
March 11, 2020
Myroslava Gongadze and Joe Biden, Kyiv, November 2014
Evidence I have uncovered reveals for the past eight years, Joe Biden has personally ignored the desperate pleas of freedom loving Ukrainians. Worse yet, his ego, greed, and weakness green lighted Putin’s 2022 crime against humanity, the invasion of Ukraine.
As President Trump said yesterday in an interview with Sean Hannity, Joe is “playing into Putin’s hands.”
Well, it’s one thing to say that. It’s another to prove it. So read on, because I have the evidence.
First, I offer this press briefing that took place in the rear of Air Force Two in November 2014 as Joe traveled to Kyiv for the third time in seven months. Here’s a screenshot of the cover page of the transcript still available on Obama’s archived White House website.
To reiterate, I was there as Joe’s White House stenographer, supporting his press shop. My duty was to record and transcribe press interactions with Joe and his senior staffers. In that regard, I was face to face with both briefers and reporters for their discussion that day. I saw them. I heard them. I know who most of them are. If it were not for my knowledge of the transcript, you would not be reading about it.
But make no mistake, just because this transcript reflects the banal diplo-speak of Joe’s staffers’ thinking on Ukraine, they are representing his thinking on Ukraine — almost in real time. One of Joe most oft-repeated lines is “all politics is personal.” This is personal for him. He’s no farther off than the front the plane. He was laying out his thinking for his briefers just prior to them coming to the back of the plane to speak to the press. And their lazy, disinterested message on Joe’s behalf is the root cause of the the horrific images of death and destruction we see in today’s Ukraine.
The briefing starts out innocuously, with an unremarkable discussion about an unremarkable Joe Biden visit to Morocco. But when one upstart reporter’s question drives the discussion toward the elephant in the room, the unfolding humanitarian disaster of Putin’s encroachment into the Ukraine of eight years ago, the veteran White House reporters and briefers respond with laughter!
That reporter was Voice of America journalist Myroslava Gongadze, whom I have profiled in my previous two Substacks. Not a White House regular — in fact, this was the only time I recall her being on a Joe Biden foreign trip. And boy, did she come up big. She dominated the briefing, much to the consternation of Joe’s experts and the “veteran” reporters.
Who are the other people you ask? Mr. Spector is Stephen Spector, then a Biden press assistant. One senior administration official was Colin Kahl, then Joe Biden’s national security advisor, now the man Biden has entrusted with the job of rendering the Pentagon woke. This was Kahl’s first time briefing on Air Force Two, and Gongadze schooled him.
Colin Kahl, Joe Biden’s former national security advisor with Joe, Kyiv, 2015
I don’t recall the identity of the other briefer. Maybe I’ll get more information from the Biden White House on that, but I’m not holding my breath — the whole point of a background briefing is to give everyone anonymity. Guaranteed they won’t divulge anything, especially since my evidence proves they have blood on their hands.
Besides Gongadze, the journalists involved, as I mentioned in my last Substack, are Mike Memoli, then of Tribune Publishing, now of MSNBC, and Bloomberg White House correspondent Justin Sink.
Here’s the link to the full transcript on the Obama’s White House .gov website now hosted by the National Archives —https://obamawhitehouse.archives.gov/the-press-office/2014/11/20/background-briefing-senior-administration-officials-vice-presidents-trip
Gongadze asked tough, probing questions because not only was Ukraine her homeland, but it was also her beat. So unlike the jaded White House press veterans, she actually cared very much that Putin had stolen his way into Crimea and the Donbas. But more importantly, she cared very much that Joe Biden was doing nothing to stop him there.
Her follow-on question, critical of the first Minsk Agreement, an ObamaBiden fail if ever there was one, included the plaintive message Ukrainians now more than ever have for Joe, “Look, now we’re dying here.”
Q It seems to be that Minsk (first Minsk Agreement*) is just about dead, if not dead. Do you see it that way? The administration has held off on heavy weapons to the Ukrainians and they’ve held off on giving a lot of funding. The Ukrainians are now saying, look, now we're dying here*. We say we want political reforms. We want economic reforms. But at the same time, facts on the ground seem to be moving really quickly. And I’m giving you --
SENIOR ADMINISTRATION OFFICIAL: Yes. No, I understand.
Q I’m not feeding you lines. But tell me what your analysis is and what the Vice President -- what his message is.
And here’s the ObamaBiden reply in all its pathetic eight-years-ago irony, as their many “concerns,” which they never adequately addressed, metastasized into Putin crimes against humanity on an ever growing scale:
SENIOR ADMINISTRATION OFFICIAL: I think there is no question -- nobody is going to declare Minsk at this point dead*. But there are significant concerns about repeated violations, especially on the side of the Russians and their proxies to the Minsk agreements. We feel like the Ukrainian side has held up their end of the bargain, but the Russians continue to send tanks and armored vehicles and artillery pieces across the border. The separatists have been very active in fighting in certain parts, to includes areas like the Donetsk airport, that are technically in this buffer zone along the line of contact. Very troublesome. The separatists continue to hold hundreds of Ukrainian hostages. Kind of an exchange of the detainees is supposed to be part of the deal; that's not moving forward.
With Russian backing, the separatists held this kind of sham election very recently. So, yes, we have a lot of concerns about the Minsk process. And so we're looking at all the options that we have to help the Ukrainians on this.
But it goes beyond Minsk. Ukraine -- they face a significant challenge this winter on the energy front, which is why the Europeans with our help negotiated a very important gas deal between the Ukrainians and the Russians to help keep the lights on this winter. But they have significant macroeconomic challenges. Merkel and others brought this up. We're very concerned about it.
All of us, we, the Europeans recognize the importance of finding a way to provide more economic assistance to Ukraine, given the macroeconomic challenges.
It is also true, though, that Poroshenko and Yatsenyuk and other Ukrainian politicians recognize this, that continued political and economic reforms are going to be necessary to I think help us mobilize the international community, whether it be the Europeans, whether it be the IMF to kind of bring to bear the types of resources that are really going to allow the Ukrainians to dig out of this hole. So those are all the types of -- those are all issues the Vice President will discuss.
*the first Minsk Agreement was dead months later
It’s important to note there’s a significant correlation between Joe and Hunter’s corruption with Burisma Holdings and the real reason Joe was visiting Ukraine in November 2014. But that’s the topic of my next Substack.
And let me just add, none of the reporters I’m here naming have a clue as to what Joe was actually up to. Evidence I base my allegation on is something I’ve found in Hunter’s laptop, which they refuse to acknowledge. Trump is right to declare them an enemy of the people. These reporters are paid to cover for Joe’s corruption, not expose it. Joe Biden betrayed Ukraine on their watch. So Justin Sink, Mike Memoli, and yes, even Myroslava Gongadze have the blood of Ukrainian innocents on their hands.
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So now as I write this in March 2020, Ukrainians are dying by the thousands and suffering by the millions because of Joe Biden. The truth is he, associated with Hunter and others, has a history of corruption there. Putin knew it. Putin contributed to it, the evidence I have of that I presented in my pre-invasion Substack titled The Joe Biden Heavenly Hundred Lie.
If Joe was the cop protecting Ukraine, he was a dirty cop.
Another aspect is Joe’s weakness. Putin knew he’d run from a fight because he had history of submitting to Putin’s humiliations, which I described in my book Joe Biden Unauthorized and the 2020 Crackup of the Democratic Party. That would be the chapter I titled Bitch Slapped in Moscow.
It’s now obvious Joe’s “support” for Ukraine is cash and sanctions rather than weapons. Certainly not boots on the ground. Putin knew Joe would offer them no substantial military assistance.
Why did Putin know this? Because that’s what Joe said almost from the beginning, we’re not going to get into a shooting war with Russia.
And thankfully they didn’t. America has done enough nation building through our military-industrial complex. But if Joe and Barack weren’t going to fully back Ukraine’s freedom movement, why crank it up in the first place?
Aside from using Ukrainian aid packages for personal enrichment, why, indeed.
Here’s another passage from this revealing discussion of eight years ago. Again this is Myroslava Gongadze’s question:
Q Can I go on? About the legislation in the Congress -- Congress sees the fact that White House is not doing enough -- specifically when Ukraine asked about the lethal defense weapons. Is the White House ready to support effort that is Congress which passed the legislation Freedom Support Act?
SENIOR ADMINISTRATION OFFICIAL: I think as Tony Blinken talked about the other day in his confirmation hearing, for a while, we looked at the conflict and saw that no matter how many weapons we provided to Ukraine, they were going to get outgunned by the Russians. And you have to calibrate assistance versus your judgment about does it help escalate or de-escalate the crisis. But I think what we’ve seen in recent weeks, since the Minsk agreement and these continued violations, is that the Russians and their proxies continue to beyond the boundaries.
And so we haven’t taken any options off the table as it relates to assistance. And we certainly believe that the Ukrainians have every right to defend their sovereignty and territorial integrity. And so we’ve already provided more than $100 million of nonlethal assistance to help the Ukrainians defend themselves -- night-vision goggles, protective vests, started to deliver the counter-mortar radars to help detect basically incoming artillery, blankets, meals, vehicles, things like that. And we continue to look at other options to continue to support the Ukrainians because we believe they have the right to defend themselves.
Blankets and meals, really? And how about “outgunned by the Russians” line? This was the ObamaBiden thinking then, still is now. At least they’ve ramped up the sanctions. But sanctions are lousy protection from an artillery bombardment.
Here’s more eight-years-ago excuse making. Still, these questions are all Gongadze, but notice another reporter, one of the White House regulars, finally joins. And as it’s actually rather astute question, so I’d peg it as coming from Bloomberg’s Justin Sink.
Q I just wonder whether you see this situation, it seems to be reaching -- it seems to be in a crescendo, reaching a point where something else is going to happen. Do you see it that way, militarily? You’ve got Poroshenko saying we’re prepared for war. You’ve got Putin saying this week, we will never allow the eastern Ukraine to be defeated. Where do you go from there?
SENIOR ADMINISTRATION OFFICIAL: Well, the Russian statements are a little strange, given that it’s the separatists who are going on the offense everywhere. If you look at a map about the line of contact from Minsk. In almost all the places where troops have moved past the line of contact, it’s on the separatist’ side. It’s not on the Ukrainian side. So it’s hard to argue that Russian actions are somehow justified by some massive offensive campaign by the Ukrainian military. That's just not what’s happening.
Q But that wasn’t the question. If everybody is pushing themselves to a kind of -- what seems to be sort of point of no return --
SENIOR ADMINISTRATION OFFICIAL: Look, I guess my point would be different people could debate about whether we're at an inflection point. So I’m not going to say what is -- whether I think we are or we aren’t.
What I will say is we are very troubled by a number of trends, right? We're troubled by these elections, which were illegal but went ahead anyway and were a violation of Minsk agreement. We're troubled by the fact that the Russians are completely stonewalling efforts to help us make sure that the international border between Ukraine and Russia isn’t a transit point for heavy weapons and military support going from the Russian side into Ukraine. The Russians haven’t been very helpful in keeping the separatists on their line -- their side of the line of contact, or living up on commitments on hostages. And these things have been ongoing for weeks, so it’s hard to say there’s one event that was a tipping point.
I think the most recent event were these elections. It’s just this kind of accumulation of things that brings us to the point that obviously all sides need to do more, but particularly the Russian side, the separatist side to make sure that behavior is brought in line in compliance with Minsk.
Q That's what you’ve been saying for quite some time now -- accumulation of events. What happens? Are there going to be more sanctions? Europeans don't seem to be that interested in it. Are we prepared to do it by ourselves?
Q Yes, do we have strategy basically in this situation? It feels like we are very proactive -- the Russians are doing something, and we are just reacting -- or reactive. I’m sorry. Do we have proactive plans?
And it’s at this point of the briefing that the alarm bells go off for Team Biden because suddenly they are faced with veteran White House reporter asking a question they can’t answer. At least not honestly.
Heck, they still can’t answer that question.
And this is why, in my opinion, Joe Biden came to the back of the plane for the very revealing off-the-record discussion I wrote about in my Substack titled Mike Memoli, Joe Biden, and the Crimea Truth. Joe had to come back and personally tamp down his traveling press pool, who, thanks to Myroslava Gongadze, was drilling too deep for comfort on Ukraine.
And this is why I raised the question about her presence on the last leg of the trip. Because if she wasn’t there, as I suspect, for that very informative talk with Joe, it reveals more about him than her. He had to go to the back of the plane to calm things down but he only did so when the toughest questioner was gone.
Seems like the sort of man who would hide from tough questions rather than face them. Sound familiar?
And here’s the point where this eight-years-ago briefing takes an eerie turn into a discussion of what is actually happening right now with Russia and Ukraine amidst fears of World War III.
SENIOR ADMINISTRATION OFFICIAL: So I think we have a strategy, right? The strategy is to support the Ukrainians economically and in terms of security assistance and to push the Russians to comply with their side of the deal. It’s our belief -- and I think the economic figures bear this out -- that the sanctions that we and the Europeans have put in place have hurt the Russians pretty badly, that if you look at the devaluation of their currency, if you look at the capital flight, they're --
Q But did it change their political calculations?
SENIOR ADMINISTRATION OFFICIAL: Well, let me put it this way, sometimes -- it hasn’t changed it yet. Clearly, we are looking at options to turn the pressure up in light of what’s happening. I think our experience is that works best when we and the Europeans act together. So we have been working with the Europeans to identify ways in the face of these Russian violations to generate more pressure.
But in the meantime, we think that the pressure we have on there is having a real effect. Now has it had the political effect yet of getting them to reverse course? Not yet. But it doesn’t mean that it won’t.
But the way, there is an exit ramp here. If the Russians bring their behavior and their proxy behavior into compliance with Minsk, there are exit ramps here. They just haven’t shown a willingness yet. So we're looking at a whole range of options to support the current strategy in light of recent behavior.
Q Let me ask another question -- (inaudible) the United States are leading the efforts to support Ukraine, specifically on sanctions. What is the situation with the Europeans? How do they see the crisis and what they are willing to do?
SENIOR ADMINISTRATION OFFICIAL: So I think everybody is worried about it. I think obviously the Europeans have a set of particular economic relationships with Russia. We all understand that, and that complicates some of their calculations.
But that said, they’ve been willing to do a lot. And I think you saw coming out of the G20 meetings in Australia, the Europeans also recognizing that more probably has to be done. And I would say more on both sides of the equation. Part of the equation is the sanctions front. But the other part, frankly, is the economic assistance to Ukraine front because that's also a huge concern.
And this is actually where I think we -- our continuing conversations with Ukraine, it can help us help them in the sense that as we try to bring more resources to bear, we're not going to be -- the United States is not going to be able to do this alone. We're going to need the Europeans to go along with us. We're going to need the IMF to go along with us. And everybody is watching very closely at this moment.
Like I said, with what we now see in Ukraine, ObamaBiden “diplomacy” is and has been a disaster there from the start.
SENIOR ADMINISTRATION OFFICIAL: So I think the number one message is: We’ve got your back. The number one message is: We’ve got your back. Because we know that it’s a trying -- we know that it’s a hard time. It’s a hard time because of the military, economic and other activities. So that's number one message.
And by the way, the United States has had their back since the very beginning, and the Vice President has played a prominent role in doing that. So that's number one message.
But then as Gongadze turns the discussion to Ukrainian corruption, Joe and Hunter’s Burisma cash grab raises its ugly head. It’s right there in the briefer’s suggestion “we can be helpful with technical assistance,” he’s talking about helping the Ukrainian natural gas sector (Burisma) with fracking. I’ll have more on this next week, but this is Joe and his staffers working on behalf of Burisma — on a trip paid for by American taxpayers.
Q Just on Ukraine, what is exactly you want them to do in terms of economic things?
SENIOR ADMINISTRATION OFFICIAL: So the Rada, the parliament passed an anti-corruption law. So moving forward on implementing anti-corruption legislation. But I think they're also going to have to commit to some reforms in the energy sector, for example. I think they feel like the gas deal that was struck between Ukraine and Russia with European assistance, and we were also involved in providing advice can get them through the winter. But this energy challenge is going to be a lingering challenge. This isn’t a three-month or a four-month issue. This is a perpetual. So there’s going to be some things where I think we can actually be helpful in terms of technical assistance and other types of assistance on increasing energy efficiency and power generation and all sorts of things.
But finally they conclude the briefing with an earnest sign off that will haunt Ukraine for the rest of its days, a promise that Joe Biden had their back, which is actually the worst lie of his life to date.
Q One follow-up to what you said about the number one message is we’ve got your back. Do you think the Ukrainians believe the U.S. has their back?
SENIOR ADMINISTRATION OFFICIAL: I think they do. And by the way, I think they see the Vice President’s trip very much as an important symbol of that. You all talked about how troubled the situation is. Well, it’s a troubled situation, but the Vice President of the United States is coming to not only tell the leaders what they already know, which is we have their back, but demonstrate it publicly for the world.
6:31 P.M. (Local)
Like I said, even at this preliminary stage of Putin’s horrific crime against the innocents of Ukraine, evidence proves Joe Biden, his staffers, and the press who covered for them have blood on their hands, too. There’s nothing criminals like better that dirty cops. And in Ukraine, Joe Biden has been the dirtiest of dirty cops.
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